PR? who gives a crap and whats the big deal

[dezigner]

PR,PR,PR...who gives a crap! i'v seen several (x's 10) search engines and directories that will not accept sites unless they have a certain PR. what's the big deal? it's like directory segragation or something.(ha) we all have to start somewhere. lighten up ppl and give the newbies a chance!

[SkGold]

Majority of the people on Internet completely misunderstand the importance of PR. :rolleyes: They live in illusion that high PR is very important, helping your site to get good position in serps and bring in a lot of traffic.

Well, PR is just an indication of linkage (amount of links to your website). Once again, it is indication only. It has nothing to do with traffic and very little to do with ranking in serps. Also with a little knowledge PR could be faked.

IMO, better concentrate on building good positions in serps and don’t worry about PR. :wink:

[Sai_dallas]

SkGold: If there are any limites on size of Avatar.
Your Avatar would exceed those limits.

If there are no limits, this already slow forum would run slower as every one would increase their Avatar size.

Please change it to regular size.

Appreciate your help.

Thanks

[sdedman1]

SkGold: If there are any limites on size of Avatar.
Your Avatar would exceed those limits.

If there are no limits, this already slow forum would run slower as every one would increase their Avatar size.

Please change it to regular size.

Appreciate your help.

Thanks
Would also run faster if some people didn't use this forum just to advertise all their sites:)

[Greg]

Well avatars are suppose to be:
Note: The maximum size of your custom image is 80 by 80 pixels or 19.5 KB (whichever is smaller).

[SkGold]

Hey Guys, this thread is about PR. Please, stay on topic.

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SkGold: If there are any limites on size of Avatar.
Your Avatar would exceed those limits.

Sai_dallas, I answered your question here (http://www.esyndicat.com/forum/about9400.html).

[Greg]

Hey Guys, this thread is about PR. Please, stay on topic.



So Sai and SkGold do you want to be moderators?
It a really great job. %)

[Calvin Herl]

For years I have been able to get good results in google, in both serps and PR. The PR game is just google methods of brainwashing advertisers. And sinmce many fall for there is some advantage to good PR. Willyou directory every get a 10 PR..lol Yahoo (another competor of google) only gets a 9 so I would never count on it. Google does not like competion, but getting a 4-6 PR can land you some paying customers. But rememebr a good PR does not equal a good serp, in fact I have had site with pr get top listings and ones with a pr6 land on page 49. Hope this helps

[SkGold]

But rememebr a good PR does not equal a good serp, in fact I have had site with pr get top listings and ones with a pr6 land on page 49. Hope this helps
That is right Calvin Herl, as soon as I see sites with PR > than 6 it make me very suspicion, unless of course this site is very popular; and popular sites are very easy to recognize. When I am looking for a link, I am usually looking for contextual anchor text link, checking how is this site trusted by SEs and some other stuff, PR is my last point (if at all).

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So Sai and SkGold do you want to be moderators?
It a really great job. %)
Ha-ha, if I will, the first thing I’ll do is to limit number of links in the signature up to 2.:D

Just kidding, Sai_dallas don’t take it personally. I also suggest for you to change your signature links to anchor text. Believe me it will do only better for you.

Greg, are there any benefits other than %) ?

But if seriously, I have no problem to be a moderator and help people. However I am not a coding guy and will be not helpfull for people with technical questions. But I could moderate ‘Link Exchange Strategy & SEO’ section, recognize and delete spam and so on. So if eSyndiCat need help in this area I am ready.

[Sai_dallas]

Would also run faster if some people didn't use this forum just to advertise all their sites:)

sdedman1: I am not selling anything - Just giving free links
-- None of my sites even require a back link -- They are just free..

And text does not take too much band width.

I am within the limit of the allowed text. If the forum rules change let me know and I will be happy to comply.:good: :good:

Greg: I just want to manage the one therad I started about keeping the modifications/bug fixes to version 2.1.02.


Thanks

[Sai_dallas]

coming back to the Actual thread.

I do not approve PR0 listings on my directories.

My Reasons are:
1) I get more bad submission they are PR0
-- Sorry for good sites that are PR0
-- There is spam and bad site that are PR2 or Better. but the number is not as big as PR0
(Do agree that there may be bad sites in my directories)

2) Not sure: But was told if we link to a site that is banned by google.
-- The linking site is penalized. <<-- Just what I read/heard
-- If a site is banned by Google that site will show PR0 -- This is my understanding.

Any comments are corrections I should make to my rules are appreciated.

One Question I have about SEO: Does empty categories have negative effect on SEO?

Thanks

[SkGold]

PR is just a equation that calculate linkage factor. PR has nothing to do with trust, traffic or ranking and could be easily manipulated.

I can register domain today and as soon as Google update their database (maybe one day or maybe one month) I can have a PR4 or PR6 for this new domain. This PR will be manipulated/faked.

I am not stopping to wonder how much trust people putting on this Green Bar.

[OWG]

PR is important in as much as the higher the Pr, the more pages will get spidered, and the less likely your pages are to go into the supplemental index.

PR is simply an aggregated value of the links pointing to you. It does NOT affect directly your rankings. Themain elements for ranking well are Good page titles, and corresponding anchor text. Get those two elements right, and you are well on your way. The are LOADS of other things also, but if you don't have those right you are fighting an uphill battle.

The easiest way to check if a site is penalised is no PR, & No pages indexed. Keep in mind that this is how ALL sites start their lives, so use your head. The MASSIVE giveaway that there is a penalty though is if it has LOTS of links pointing to it and STILL has no PR.

RE: linking to banned sites. It is NOT just linking to bad sites that will get you into trouble, it is linking to bad neghbourhoods. Your outbound links are VERY important, as every single outbound is a vote of confidence for the site you are linking to. Link to bad sites, and Google will tar you with the same brush. So do NOT link to spammy link pages made for adsense etc.

Finally YES with a capital Y empty categories are a no no simply because they are all more or less the same in their content. Duplicate content on your own site is not good. These pages will then either be dropped completely, or more likely will be placed in the supplemental index, and will not be returned for searches on Google.

AS Sk says, PR has very little to do with trust (i would not agree with it has nothing to do with trust as it does). you do NOT need high pr to rank, although you might well get a high pr as a result of the links you gain. PR is a by product of linking, it is not the driving force it was meant to be in the original backrub algorithm that page & Brinn wrote while at Stanford, and founded Google on.

[sdedman1]

sdedman1: I am not selling anything - Just giving free links
-- None of my sites even require a back link -- They are just free..

And text does not take too much band width.

I am within the limit of the allowed text. If the forum rules change let me know and I will be happy to comply.:good: :good:

Thanks

Ok, it was just my sense of humour, not meant as a dig at you - sorry

[SkGold]

PR is important in as much as the higher the Pr, the more pages will get spidered, and the less likely your pages are to go into the supplemental index.

OWG, where did you get this info?
PR has nothing to do with spidering your pages. Pages with PR0 spidered as good as pages with higher PR.
Supplemental index is only about duplicate content, again nothing to do with PR.

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SkGold: If there are any limites on size of Avatar.
Your Avatar would exceed those limits.
If there are no limits, this already slow forum....
Sai, my avatar has been removed. Are you happy? Is it faster now? :D :D :D

[dazladesigns]

One Question I have about SEO: Does empty categories have negative effect on SEO?

I'd like to know the answer to that question myself.....

[SkGold]

Defiantly YES, empty categories have negative effect on SEO.

Lets take a look. If your have 30 empty categories then all these 30 pages will have absolutely similar content and this mean duplicate content. So all those pages will be in supplemental index. Even categories with one listing are not very good. I believe you need at least 20% of different content between your pages, and then Google will not consider them as a duplicate content.

Please notice that this applies for Google only, for Yahoo and MSN it doesn’t matter.

[dazladesigns]

That blows.... oh well.

[Sai_dallas]

Any one made the query to delete the empty categories?

-- Basically I have my first directory for a year or so now.

I think it would be safe to delete any empty category as I may never get any listing there.

Can some one share the query to delete the empty categories?


Thanks

[dazladesigns]

hell if I used that query... I wouldn't have any catagories.. lol. I just installed eSyndicat a little over a week ago.. still trying to work out the little kinks.. and find out the best way to get listings. This is my first directory.. :D

[dezigner]

i've actually learned alot thanks to everyone here and my own research on the web but what i learned the most is that i reeeally and truely still don't give a crap.

i have seen a new word, "serps". what is this now? and, will i give a crap? probably not, but i'm no longer stressing over such things. im back to not just working hard but also having fun while doing it.

thanks...

[SkGold]

i have seen a new word, "serps". what is this now? and, will i give a crap? probably not,
You should. "serps” = Search Engine Results Page. Getting good positions in serps should be your main goal. Without this your site will be dead.
im back to not just working hard but also having fun while doing it.
Ha-ha doing something and having fun is the best. :good:
hell if I used that query... I wouldn't have any catagories.. lol. I just installed eSyndicat a little over a week ago.. still trying to work out the little kinks.. and find out the best way to get listings. This is my first directory.. :D
IMO the site looks much busier if you have many listings in several categories than many categories with several listings. You may increase your categories any time later.