3 way linking capability?

[James Vadas]

Hi There,

Can someone please tell me if any version has a capability to request and check 3 way (or triangular linking) from the submitter?

Thanks!

James.:poisk:

[redeye]

Could you explain what you mean by 3 way linking to the ignorant amongst us?

[Vincent Wright]

Yes, this is the first time I hear this term. Could you please explain.

I think the community would appreciate this.

Thanks.

[James Vadas]

Ok, here goes....

Lets say you own site 1 and 3. The other person owns site 2.

Traditional reciprocal linking:

1 -> 2 then 2 -> 1

3 way reciprocal linking:

1 -> 2 then 2 -> 3

The advantage of this is:

1: If site 1 is a high PR site and site 3 is low PR which needs a boost (or it's a non-directory site) you can request links to point there, giving site 3 a highly varied link base.

2: Links are one-way, not reciprocal, as they are not just 2 sites pointing back at each other.


The jury is still out on whether google frowns on 3 way links, as they do sometimes occur naturally, or at the very least, if they are done in moderation, and if you use several directories under different names (google can check whois now since they became a registrar!) they would be incredibly hard to detect.

phpLinkDirectory has this feature but I am not a big fan of its look and feel, whereas i think esyndicat looks great! The unlimited license option also adds appeal.

Ideally, a directory script would be most powerful as regards 3 way links if it was customizable so you could display it like this if you wanted:

LINK OPTIONS:
Paid Premium
Paid Standard
Reciprocal
..Link back to this site
..Link to site: xyz.com
..Link to site: example.com
etc etc

This would empower the submitting Webmaster to make a choice in which site he links to. This is of course desirable for both subject compatability and also choosing a site they feel they can trust.

Another bonus of this is that if you own several sites, it adds a randomness to the linking process, making it even harder to detect a pattern.

The script would of course need to automatically check for backlinks in the appropriate site. Ie. not check for a normal reciprocal if the person linked to xyz.com.

Hope this makes sense.:batz:

James.

[redeye]

Ok, here goes....
Hope this makes sense.:batz:

James.

Errrrr ..... no :confused:

If 1 links to 2 ..... and 2 links to 3 ..... what links to 1 ?

[tsands]

Errrrr ..... no :confused:

If 1 links to 2 ..... and 2 links to 3 ..... what links to 1 ?
they are only way links. you are basically using 1 as leverage to get the owner of 2 to link to your other site 3.

makes sense to me.

[redeye]

they are only way links. you are basically using 1 as leverage to get the owner of 2 to link to your other site 3.

makes sense to me.

Ok, I'll go with that explanation.

I'm still puzzled about Google frowning on this 3-way linking. Isn't it just the natural way of the web. There are millions of links (all non-recip) all over the place linking to millions of other non-related sites, so how would Google know it's a 3-way link. I don't see how they would spot the connection. :huh:

[James Vadas]

There are some scaremongers out there that say that google has the ability to check this, but in reality it's doubtful. The only thing I would say though is keep getting links from a variety of sources and it would be virtually impossible to detect.

What is vaguely possible is for an SE to search ALL of the outgoing links of site 1, and if ALL of those sites link to site 3, then they could see a pattern. I doubt though that the engines would use the huge resources needed to do it. And besides, if you have a number of normal recip links and maybe some straight outgoing links as well, how could they tell? And would they dare start dropping sites all over the place if they had a mixture of links?

[James Vadas]

Anyway... Can someone please answer my original question please? Does esyndicat support 3 way linking?:wallbash:

[djbaxter]

I don't know the answer to your question, James, but I can tell you this much:

Three-way linking is an SEO strategy aimed at circumventing the MYTH that Google is penalizing reciprocal linking.

Be advised that this has never been anything BUT a myth. What Google penalizes are "artificial linking schemes" and non-relevant links, not reciprocity.

In the real world of so-called organic linking, reciprocal linking occurs all the time - one authority site tends to link to another authority site "organically" or "naturally" precisely because they are reciprocally relevant and because they are authority sites. Google does not search out reciprocal links to penalize or discount.

It's a non issue. Much ado about nothing. A lot of effort aimed at getting around a "problem" which does not exist.

[redeye]

Anyway... Can someone please answer my original question please? Does esyndicat support 3 way linking?:wallbash:

Think the answer is a big NO!

[Vincent Wright]

Yes, redeye is right. There is NO 3-way linking in eSyndiCat right now.

[James Vadas]

You may notice that I never said that google penalizes reciprocals.

It is generally accepted that 1 ways count for more than recips though. An the other main appeal of a 3 way is encouraging people to link to your other website which may not be as pr strong.

Fear of being penalized for reciprocals has never entered the equation in my mind.

[James Vadas]

Oook. Thanks for that Vincent and Redeye.

[djbaxter]

It is generally accepted that 1 ways count for more than recips though.
I don't "accept" that and I don't believe it. It's a myth.

[Simon Gooffin]

I will clarify the situation. Yes, you can configure eSyndiCat to check a reciprocal link to a third site.
For say I have esyndicat.com and newsite.com.
You have yoursite.com.
I want all the webmasters who submit their links in my esyndicat.com directory have a linkback to my newsite.com. That's ok. There is a way to configure the script to work in this way.

[steve111]

...and of couse, esyndicate, the next generation

You allow any category (and therefore its children) to be associated with a certain third party url. So then when submitters choose a category, javascript will refresh the forum, and show a link they need to implement that is related to that category. So if user first goes to 'hosting' section, and then submits url, they are asked to link to your hosting site.

An easier variation. Allow a list of sites that they can link to. Urge them to pick one that is most relevant to their site (theme strenght). This is a lot easier to do, and provides a nice degree of randomness.

steve

[Vincent Wright]

I absolutely misunderstood the post. Steve, could you please explain it in layman terms? What is it? And what is it for?

[steve111]

Vincent,

From Simon's explanation, a straight three way linking is do-able. Cool.

I was talking about really fancy three way linking (not needed now). Say you operate a number of niche portals, and have one broad directory. So you want to let link submitters link to one of your n niche sites, the one that is closest to their theme (helps everyone).

So basically link submitter is presented with an array of backlinks (not only one) to choose from, and dir s/w checks on the partner's site for any of the links from the array.

Maybe tooo much. It was just food for thought.

steve

[Vincent Wright]

Vincent,

From Simon's explanation, a straight three way linking is do-able. Cool.

I was talking about really fancy three way linking (not needed now). Say you operate a number of niche portals, and have one broad directory. So you want to let link submitters link to one of your n niche sites, the one that is closest to their theme (helps everyone).

So basically link submitter is presented with an array of backlinks (not only one) to choose from, and dir s/w checks on the partner's site for any of the links from the array.

Maybe tooo much. It was just food for thought.

steve

I got your point. Btw, we have discussed this option with Mark Brookes (he is really good guy and helped me much in debuggin cron jobs).

Technically, it is not too difficult. All I have to do is just replace one string checking with checking against a list of strings.

I will think about it...

[steve111]

Come to think of it, it would be HIGHLY VALUABLE.

Why?

Because google favors sites that have deep links. So even if dir owner has a single site (or maybe only their directory), you can have submitters pick from a list of links (or just throw one at them randomly). This would greatly help the rankings.

Agreed, not too hard to do. Needs some thought on presentation of it to submitters, checking of it is the easy part.

[steve111]

Building on that theme, and I don't know if you do this today, allow dir owners to add some text under each category. This way, each category page would have proper text stuff for search engines to munch on. Then you can do a proper SEO job on each category, and then using multiple url strategies above, create deep and much more successful link strategies.

[WTM]

Building on that theme, and I don't know if you do this today, allow dir owners to add some text under each category. This way, each category page would have proper text stuff for search engines to munch on. Then you can do a proper SEO job on each category...

You can add text to each category (including root) as it is right now...

Just open your appropriate category in the admin panel and write a description in the "description" field. It will show up on your category page.

See example here: http://www.moversneeds.com/supplies/

[Greg]

And to add to what WTM said see my post here #8 if you want it to show on main page also under each category.
Here post #8 (http://www.esyndicat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6332&highlight=How+To+Display+Individual+Image+%

26amp%3B+Description)